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Thanks for watching our film, and for your comments -- our primary goal with the film was to shine a spotlight on these issues, to spark dialogue and encourage changes in the way we think about river and fish conservation and fishery management. The common ground we all seem to share is a love of rivers and an interest in seeing wild fish return in greater abundance. Patagonia has been working to protect wild rivers and wild fish for over 40 years. We were founded by an avid fly fisherman – and we’re proud of all our connections to the fish world, which range from our fly fishing and salmon product lines, to the over $20 million in grants we’ve given to local groups working on these issues in communities around the world. To that end, whatever your point of view, we hope you visit Patagonia Action Works, to learn more about and support groups working to protect wild rivers and wild fish - www.patagonia.com/actionworks/about Further, this is the 3rd film we’ve made about these issues. First was Damnation, which highlights the destructive effect of obsolete dams on healthy river ecosystems and habitat; and then, Blue Heart of Europe, which shares the shocking story of a tsunami of dam development in the Balkans region of Eastern Europe, and calls for a stop to the construction of 3,000 new hydropower dams and diversions. We couldn’t agree more that habitat destruction, dam building, mismanaged harvest, and pollution of our waterways are also incredibly important issues – check out these films to get a sense for some of our advocacy across the issues. Watch Blue Heart here: youtu.be/OhmHByZ0Xd8 Watch DamNation here: www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00QH8UZUY/ref=atv_dl_rdr If you have questions about our position – please visit www.patagonia.com/artifishal.html and review our "Get the Facts" section and visit our Provisions Sourcing page for more information on our Salmon products: www.patagoniaprovisions.com/pages/salmon-conservation Finally, if you have questions about the science on this issue, we recommend these links, housed on the Native Fish Society and Wild Fish Conservancy web pages: nativefishsociety.org/science/hatcheries wildfishconservancy.org/wild-steelhead/scientific-evidence-on-adverse-effects-of-steelhead-hatcheries wildfishconservancy.org/what-we-do/advocacy/steelhead-hatchery-reform/the-effects-of-hatchery-production-on-wild-salmon-and-trout wildfishconservancy.org/resources/science-library/HatcheryImpactonWildSalmonidsBakke.pdf Комментарий от : @patagonia |
I Hope the Klamath River will have Fish in it someday, But I personally don't think that this River will ever recover from this Disaster. The Klamath River, The Klamath River is dead the only thing that you can catch in it Is a disease Now. Комментарий от : @KennyWatson-mu9to |
You have to stop the trawlers just before the salmon runs, that's what killing the population. Комментарий от : @douglaskampfer2028 |
Very nice film. Too bad many people won't see it Комментарий от : @massimilianolocatelli680 |
with water for agriculture we can be smart about it's usage Комментарий от : @peterdorn5799 |
Is spraying herbicide helping something seems to over looked i see them ,my friend worked worked with road cruz aplyind semi truck loads every where it the sapiens poison. Комментарий от : @ThomasSchwartz-km2nf |
All the problems in nature are caused by human interference with natural systems Комментарий от : @user-nc2kt8ze7o |
There is plenty of gene pollution in Europe right now too. Комментарий от : @THIS_IS_SWEDEN |
lo que hicieron los europeos con las comunidades nativas de America, ahora lo quieren remediar con los peces. capitalistas.... Комментарий от : @MauricioTen |
Ohhh god... how dare fish and wild life science not have been perfect... But they promised us! The story.. wasnt perfect .. we relied on the story . Im emotionally attached to a severed connection to our imperfect watch OMG! im almost 60.. and this is a super stupid video on how humans.. are emotionally affected.. by salmon. Oh my freakin gawd... its a video of how emasuated all the other guys who graduated highschool in 1981 have become . Its about the salmon. Not your feeeeeelings On and on... as i tapbout this complete bullshot comment.. im listening to the non stop never ending poor me ... drivel.. Oh. . Dude as old as myself. " had a " gut punch"? Please whiner . Just stop embarrasing our generation. Please stop.. Комментарий от : @hvp685 |
Люди забыли,что мы на этой планете живем временно.Люди думают ,что они боги.Разрушая мир вокруг себя,ты разрушаешь свой мир.С одной стороны хорошо,что наука и технологии идут вперед,но в тот же момент они разрушают мир который создал бог. Комментарий от : @user-qq6bo6md7m |
Would it not be an idear To start um in river Rather than land ones Find way to start um in river!! Yerr ??? Комментарий от : @jessehousego644 |
This is bs fish farms and salmon hatcheries are notging the same. Here in B.C. our hatcheries supplement the sport fishing and first nations and commercial fisheries it provides jobs and economic opportunities for many. As well as help iffset damage done my deforestation mining and other human interferences that decimated our salmon stocks over the years. Our coho have bounced back fenomanly through strick enforcement and hatchery programs like capilanos. Also rivers inlet hatchery produces the largest chinook in the world they only take what they need to not over compete native and non native fish. As for the rainbow removed from a system and the brown trout have bounced back in montana thats more bull. Rainbow are native to those rivers and lakes brown trout are invasive species from germany and Scotland. Tgis is a billionaire trying to run his mouth and get people on board with his narrative and in this day and age people just jump in board with what they think is right without doing proper research. Комментарий от : @bigbc5293 |
Keep putting out more eductional informing videos. Outstanding. Thank you. Would great to see you do more in a “series” and continue this on other fish and waterways. I’ve watched the Public Lands video, agin would like to see you conitnue in a “series” like production. Комментарий от : @richarderbe678 |
WATCH SALMON CONFIDENTIAL EVEN BETTER!!!! CANADIAN VERSION!!! Комментарий от : @dustinconlyn320 |
anyone have a summary for me Комментарий от : @elise3255 |
With all due respect to the tribes if they really want to work on restoring the wild population, it might be time to trade those nets for rods. Комментарий от : @NickB83 |
It's crazy to see 👀 these little kids talking with common sense in a natural way of living but at the same time being taught to not live normal in a natural way of living on earth 🌍 as if we are the ones that give life and feed the earth 🌎 when it's not human beings that feed the earth 🌎 and all of us on earth 🌎, it's our Creator that feeds the earth 🌎 and all of us in the world 🌎 just like when our Creator let the rain 🌧️ come down to the ground to feed the earth 🌎 and it naturally grows the food to feed us all on earth 🌎 which means our Creator really is in control of this creation none of us created on earth 🌎 but was created by the one and only power that created all thing's our eye's 👀 see 👀 on earth 🌎, and to rape little kids minds with lies to not think normal in just letting life flow in a natural way without tampering with our Creator creation is sick and crazy to hear people put lies into little kids minds like this when naturally a little kid knows it doesn't sound right at all,, and one of the little girls said this in the video if you heard what she said which was right but they had her doing the opposite So she will grow up tampering with our Creator creation and not letting our Creator control the creation naturally in nature in this creation our Creator allowed all of us to be apart of on earth 🌎 that none of us created but was created by the one and only power over all thing's our eye's 👀 see 👀!!!! That's what the world 🌎 should be teaching the kids to do is honor our Creator creation and appreciate our Creator for allowing us all to be apart of the creation because the true reality of life none of us on earth 🌎 is really in control of this creation, and if we all would let our Creator control the creation and stop tampering with it everything will flow and keep producing itself by the power of our Creator, and the world 🌎 would look naturally beautiful like a Big garden!!!! 👑Z👑❤️ Комментарий от : @zjzjbigfishcatches7740 |
Although this is about the loss of wild salmon, it's also about the Orca population... fascinating that the Orca pod(s) off Spain are attacking boats lately. One has to wonder about the correlation between the oceans over-fishing, warming, etc and the Orca's anger (or at least it seems that way) Incredible to think that Elon Musk is on record saying : "the world needs more humans" Комментарий от : @dave9351 |
A very good doco on the subject of wild&hatcheries stocks of salmon,interesting to note the various effects on other spieces in the sea&river's systems. I have yet to see an article of similar standing&reserch in New Zealand where Brown& Rainbow trout along with Quinet&Chinook salmon where introduced into a pristine environment with native Glaxsides of many types,short fin,long fin eels where the original inhabitants of the waterways & they are all competing for the same food source in the river,we seem to have a healthy balance where overfishing or habitat has been taken into account,but with genitic variables from hatchery fish being a regular top up source for the introduced species when needed,leaves me wondering just how long it will continue as we have large fish farms that invariably loose stock Комментарий от : @StephenRaymondBLACKIE |
Don't you just love Americans 😍 They DESTROY everything they touch , Then LECTURE the WORLD on HOW THEY'LL TRY TO FIX IT 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 Комментарий от : @AA-69 |
It’s not too bright destroying dams which have a lot of other benefits. There are proven ways of getting the fish past the dams like fish ladders. Комментарий от : @elrolo3711 |
I want to thank everyone involved with this video. It takes tons of connections to make the discovery of the truth in what happened, then getting so lucky as to getting the video proof at the pens your dive couple people. I felt after you were told to leave that they may take your footage. You are teaching the world how to better manage the environment to get salmon back to being sustainable. have done a great service to not only the native Americans but to all people around the world. Комментарий от : @user-hi4vo1cn7r |
50 years of my life there were solid runs of hatchery salmon and steelhead on my local rivers . And for 70 years of my dad's life , there were hatchery supplemented runs on the same rivers that were successful. There were also very solid runs of wild fish . It wasn't hatchery fish that caused the decline. It was commercial fisherman, guides ( on wild fish rivers ) , the internet crowding rivers AND the shutdown of hatcherie s. The river in my backyard is a perfect example of the crazy erratic policies of the WFS and ESA . So - back in the 50s when the dams were put on my river , the federal government told the Army corps of engineers that they had to replace the wild run of salmon with a hatchery program . They did . After a few road bumps it was successful. Between the 50s and the 2010s there were only a handful of bad return years . The best years were actually in the early 2000s . 2002 to 2006 . Lots of spring chinook and summer steelhead. So after a couple of years of really hot weather and a few select bad returns, NFS and ESA started filing lawsuits to take non native fish out of the planting schedule. In the meantime the internet social media and youtube were blowing up fishing spots . Guides were getting clients now from all over the world . This was a double triple punch to the wild runs mainly on the coast . So all of this kept adding arrows to the quiver of NFS and ESA. So on my river in the early 70s , odfw started a plant of winter steelhead on my home river . It was successful, but for whatever reason it wasn't popular so they ended the practice. That little winter run started spawning on their own and created a little sleeper run of winter steelhead. It was nice , you could catch and release wild steelhead in February or March. They were healthy beautiful fish . In 2010 saw a guy catch and release one that was easily over 20 and very healthy . What does NFS do ? Get them off the protected list because they are not native to the river ??? Insane . How you say ? They did this scheme by having odfw take some hatchery chinook to the upper middle fork of the willamette above the dams , letting these HATCHERY chinook spawn , and what offspring survives being washed down both dams , comes back as magically a pure wild fish . Then when those pure wind fish ( from hatchery stock ) come back to the ladder 4 years latter , they take the ones with adipose fins in a truck back up to the upper mid fork to propagate again . And they say these hatchery origin salmon are more pure than those self propagating steelhead ? Are you kidding me ? And in 2019 they even ended the summer steelhead runs. Then they also say they have to protect the wild runs because of climate change . That's funny because the wild coho don't seem to be bothered by climate change . They are thick in the rivers right now . Siuslaw, willamette, and Umpqua. And no its not because they eat different food . The #1 food source for our salmon is pink shrimp . Not artic krill those are way farther north , it's pink shrimp. So it's not climate change , or hatcherie fish . Comercial trollers , comercial netters , guides ( on wild fish rivers ) , and youtube fishing channels. The last two guides and youtubers exploded in 2010 ...subsequently wild stocks crashed. So these NFS and ESA are just people that like to feel good about themselves. Most of them are hoity toity fly fishermen too . They want it for them and no one else . They will be the ones responsible for the death of salmon runs . Mark my words. Комментарий от : @rcknrol7258 |
Apa usaha kalian untuk menyelamatkan manusia dari kelaparan, kehancuran, dari perang dan pembunuhan? Комментарий от : @ediahmed9603 |
These are bad propaganda hatchery fish are not the enemies it’s ocean management like farm, raised salmon in overfishing, causing disease and depletion. Patagon is a bad representation of big companies, taking over and things they shouldn’t have any part of Комментарий от : @jameslasswell5821 |
this makes me so sad , what can we do as a fishing community to help? Комментарий от : @unknownpro9247 |
I think we should severely limit commercial harvesting and make it more about personal fishing. Like if you dont want to go out and catch it you shouldnt just be able to just go to any store and buy it Комментарий от : @shawnclements14 |
Jack smith nailed it. As sad as it sounds. Комментарий от : @Sunray-Scumbag |
Shall put salmon off our dinner table. Комментарий от : @ollieolive8933 |
This film must be broadcast in national tVworldwide. Комментарий от : @ollieolive8933 |
go vegan boys Комментарий от : @jusuzippol |
Great film. I loved around 28 mins in when the kid was talking. It may have been mostly regurgitated from hearing adults around him but either way that’s the mindset we need all of us to have. Комментарий от : @joshuagolembiewski5383 |
There’s a constant fight to save a lot of things all at the same time and it never ends. The solution to the problems of humans is for humans to become extinct, or by some miracle a mutation is introduced to stop humans from breeding. Perhaps this is what AI is all about?? 🎓 Комментарий от : @jordiegundersen1465 |
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Here in Scotland open water salmon farming is killing our sea lochs. Wild fish have disappeared from our rivers and still permission is given for bigger and bigger fish farms. Corruption at government level. Often the first thing we notice is the eradication of native oyster but that is neither the start nor the finish of it. Комментарий от : @David-xd3hw |
Just stop eating them, they taste disgusting anyway. Go a eat a snapper or a flounder, they taste heavenly. Комментарий от : @myotheraccountissuspended921 |
Salmon is wild...on the Northern Hemisphere. All salmon and trout in Patagonia are immigrants by the hand of mankind, aren't they? Please correct me, if I am wrong! Комментарий от : @Kivas_Fajo |
Probably dropping fish by helicopter isn't a good idea Комментарий от : @versailleaaron3475 |
Almost organised destruction Комментарий от : @dalegowler6436 |
Natural worked until it was monetised. Money in nature out it's criminal Комментарий от : @dalegowler6436 |
So 80% of hatchery fish are lost to commercial fishing, that sounds like the root cause to me! Комментарий от : @nathansumerlin8391 |
I'm from the great lakes region. 100% stock chinook, brown trout and steelhead. Great lakes region has one of the best fishery anywhere in the world...just saying Комментарий от : @Skank_Hunt42 |
Jend. Sam Ardi Bolkiah Abdurrahman AI (suwarta) GUAM ( irian dar'es salam) country situs Ibrahim nabi. Комментарий от : @BuYung-gg7kb |
When you industrialize anything you destroy everything. Hopefully humans will go extinct before all other life on earth. Комментарий от : @outlaw565 |
Don't forget to feed the bears. Комментарий от : @jeffransom2977 |
Go vegan. Комментарий от : @phxrsx |
Doesn’t explain why a Hatchery raised fish is bad in the whole video. Комментарий от : @TheHappySmileyFace12 |
28:30 The wisest comment of all the documentary - humbling to listen how simple it should be, letting natural restoration moving forward - no need for technological sophistication. Kudos to Autumn. Комментарий от : @kawamach |
where did you get the music from Комментарий от : @HugoMinnett |
Well thank God I watched this film because I was about to take a job working at a US Fish & Wildlife national fish hatchery in Wyoming. And now I can say that NO, I will not contribute to this major mistake that is devolving and threatening wild fishes. I used to be an avid supporter of fish farming— I spent months researching and writing papers about the economic benefits of fish farming— because I thought it was reducing pressure on wild fish stocks. But this film has flipped my understand on its head!!! Thank you @Patagonia for such a beautiful and thorough exposé of a pretty big misunderstanding, yet another example of humans trying to engineer our way out of the inevitable consequence of living beyond our means. Комментарий от : @sophietheyogi |
This is idealistic and flawed. Since 1970 the world population has doubled, the rewilding principle leads only to one conclusion and that is not palatable for most humans. Комментарий от : @Guide504 |
hatchery's are a banned, I haven't lost faith in Mother Nature, wild salmon can come back with half a chance Комментарий от : @peterdorn5799 |
The 7th Grader said something so important about the Salmon River ecosystem... I wish more kids like her would come up to protect the future of Salmons... Humans in the name of preservation and conservation are actually doing more harm than good😢 Комментарий от : @HUNTERHUNTER806 |
29:00 This little girl is fantastic! Комментарий от : @nuborn.studio |
These people have alot of things to learn form the Norwegian. They would rather that those salmon die out then to mass reproduce for the future? Комментарий от : @MateyCrook |
That little kid is smart ❤ Комментарий от : @cookdislander4372 |
Too many people...overexploited planet. Hubris fest. Комментарий от : @briansmith2120 |
thanks for taking the fight forward, dams are coming out! Комментарий от : @peterdorn5799 |
It's always amazing to me that even intelligent, educated people don't know how to use the word "literally" in the proper context. Americans in particualr (obviously). Комментарий от : @domwinton872 |
youtu.be/XdNJ0JAwT7I?t=6 fish battle royal Комментарий от : @sethcampbell9155 |
Let's get rid of all the hatcherys and have no fish?? Hatchery & Wild Coexist Комментарий от : @FishTramp |
anyone else get really hungry watching this or is it just me? Комментарий от : @bmorri26vids37 |
hold on be strong those dams are on the way out Комментарий от : @peterdorn5799 |
really enjoyed watching the kids articulate the need for a hands off approach to nature Комментарий от : @sdhliwayo |
well we know the universe didnt cry to make the river Комментарий от : @powdermonkey8242 |
i hope one day the human being go extinct ! Thats the only think i ask until today for the Santa Klaus . Комментарий от : @WelllDone47 |
Nature is kicking our buds salmon is dying !! Комментарий от : @MM-mj2gw |
Build habitats, not hatcheries! Комментарий от : @jeffcziranka6349 |
Dams are killing the oceans by stopping the silt and nutrients reaching the seas where it is the beginning of the food chain! Комментарий от : @peace20231 |
Wahou quel reportage! Комментарий от : @thomashardy9257 |
Great production and great documentary Комментарий от : @AAA-ee6zo |
It is just that the way these people act doesn't make sense and if something doesn't make sense it's dishonest also by default. Or really not even by default just it just as dishonest but still Комментарий от : @WillSmithAnarchy |
And games people play for money and the fronts they put on for the camera, yo these people got to go upriver themselves and then they can flop around Комментарий от : @WillSmithAnarchy |
Man this is makes me hate people. Комментарий от : @WillSmithAnarchy |
Dude they said the hatchery has a byproduct of adult salmon carcasses? So they don't sell the fillets after taking the eggs out? Well I'm not sure if that makes sense at all, I tend not to believe that, but when they take a block of frozen fish and lift it up with a backhoe and drop it down onto the parking lot asphalt so that the ice smashes and the fish don't stick together and you can take the individual fish and they're going to have children bury them in the woods on a school field trip. So basically they are saying the only reason that keeping the fishery going is so that way they can have a bi -product Комментарий от : @WillSmithAnarchy |
People are so stupid. Who would believe the guy that says oh those eggs were not going to survive as good in the wild, so we got to take them out of the fish that are already swimming up the river to drop them off themselves. so now they got to take them and smash them on their heads and open the fish up then plant the same eggs back in the same river that the fish was ALREADY swimming in on its way to go spawn anyways, yeah okay??? Комментарий от : @WillSmithAnarchy |
These guys are out of their mind they're talkin about the fish because they want to preserve the wild man they want to make money that's what they want and then they saying oh I love the fish let's conserve the fish so that way we can smash its head with metal bars Комментарий от : @WillSmithAnarchy |
The part where they use kids to carry dead salmon to the edge of a cliff to toss them into the river.......well isn't that just great. I guess the forklift guy and his smashers aren't up to the task and would probably slip over the edge. Комментарий от : @royormonde3682 |
When millions of illegal aliens come into our country and thousands more everyday, this places a strain on our water, utilities, affordable housing, healthcare, and food including Salmon and other seafood. I know that some WOKE delusional environmentalists will tell us it’s climate change or increased development in our rural areas, but this problem started getting worse as population soared on the West Coast. Комментарий от : @specialneedswolfman1128 |
lets consume less fish Комментарий от : @yashdhakal641 |
Nothing will keep up with human population today. If we increase the population from 7.9B today, to 16B, nothing will survive… The solution is to manage our own population, and work with Mother Earth!!! Комментарий от : @patrickhoiland2806 |
Think of how much water we take to irrigate crops. It’s not the hatcheries. It’s humans as a whole. Комментарий от : @ryancritchlow7131 |
Lets be clear - its commercial fishing that is the problem. Sport fishing, with the rules today, hardly makes an impact. Комментарий от : @Johnnyprc |
Bias movie. There are regions with massively increasing numbers and there are declining populations shifting. Dams disappearing. Salmon here to stay and future is bright Комментарий от : @matbob7249 |
STOP SPRAYING THOSE KILLER HERBICIDES Комментарий от : @Mooseracks |
ya take down all the dam's and go back to cave men and turn off the power no acc no heat no lights but who cares we need to save some stupid fish, what a bunch of morons Комментарий от : @screlle1 |
these tree huggers are so dumb in so many ways i just dont even know were i would start so sad Комментарий от : @screlle1 |
1:10:41 escalate the violence. You don’t care. You bring a knife I bring a gun, is that what you Preach ? Комментарий от : @tphvictims5101 |
1:10:13 teaching the kids violence ? That’s real good. Violence begets Violence. Grow up join the human Race and SHARE your treasure’s with All. Pure bred salmon ? How about Racist cultures ? That’s purity isn’t it ? Комментарий от : @tphvictims5101 |
28:39 watch this incredible child. She is OUR future. Children need protection as well as salmon. Natural resources one and ALL. Комментарий от : @tphvictims5101 |
How about Freedom going Extinct on OUR watch ? Hug an AUDITOR ❤ Комментарий от : @tphvictims5101 |
28:35 omg shes so cute !!! "the ecel system" melted my heart !! i hope if i ever a daughter shes into fishing like me and is as cute as that yung gal ! "the ecel system" is the cutest thing ive ever fkn heard. ive always said id never want a girl but id love a kid like her thats inot fish and outdoors. that almost might be better than a boy whos all inot video games and smokung dope in the woods fuckingggHoesAndGet them pregnant, but one day that little girl is gonna be face down getting DPd by2 dudes in a college dorm room on a spring break drunk night.. so i take that back, i dont want a daughter. Комментарий от : @gunny7769 |
Man that little girl at 29:00 knows her stuff. Impressed! Комментарий от : @infocus-media |
very saddened to watch all this even though i have never been part of the farmed fish industry . only buy wild caught fish never farmed , only wild alaskan salmon NEVER FARMED, look at the back of every product extensively to see the ingredients ,how its sourced etc unfortunately there are a lot of uneducated /stupid people around the world and it is so difficult to fight stupidity Комментарий от : @dimi7931 |
The good intention is there but the outcome not so desirable for the Protest against the net pens. Lets slowly troll the gas and diesel engine watercraft so we can further pollute the environment. We’re all guilty of only seeing what’s in front of us. We just all need to be more global socially and spiritually conscious innovators at this point. Комментарий от : @Surf427 |
Cried many times during this film. A good humbler. Thank you Комментарий от : @mariadelwiche529 |
Jokes on you I don’t eat sea food Fukushima is still leaking Комментарий от : @joseywilds3133 |
People often only look at once side of a coin and not the other. The Klamath dams are apart of one such coin. People see the possible benefits to fish populations, but not the other side of the argument. They relentlessly attack something they do not understand. Those dams provide HUGE economic value through cheap, renewable power to over 70,000 homes. They provide and immense amount of jobs locally. The water behind those dams can be stored for years when the river is low or the water is hot, allowing it to be released when needed for salmon populations. And you don't think about all the other native species that benefit from the reservoirs created. Geese and huge amounts of other waterfowl. Invertebrate like crawfish and more. The removal of those dams will release a huge amount of silt and sediment down the river that will make it nesr impossible for salmon to reproduce. You are effectively wiping out the remaining salmon population for possibly the next decade. There are alternatives to complete dam removal that allow salmon populations to still use the upstream habitat. Partial removal of spillways etc, allow reservoirs and hydro projects to stay, but fish can still migrate through. www.snyder-associates.com/dam-modification-provides-an-alternative-to-complete-removal/#:~:text=longer%20an%20issue.-,Rock%20Ramps,to%20create%20a%20stable%20slope. Комментарий от : @jameslee755 |
That fisherman saying "Nature is gone" so hatchery fish are better than none. What a realist. Nature is not gone, we just need to stop doing what we are doing, like stop fishing and let nature find a way. That's the reality that nobody wants to face. Комментарий от : @mihaelam8339 |